Tuesday, January 18, 2011

The Internet and Access to Information

So I'd like to open a discussion comparing the following concept in the US and Brazil: the amount of access to information and the way people access information. I know that's general, so I'll try to explain myself a bit. Basically, when I say “access information,” I'm going to focus on the business aspect-- basically, how to get information that you need from a business. When people want to know something, what means do they use to get the information???

I've made a LONG list showing how my American ways of acquiring information (namely by phone and internet, or, if necessary, from company employees) just does NOT warrant the information I need here in Brazil. Look at my list so that this entry doesn't feel so ambiguous:


*When I moved here, I tried to learn about the buses in town. Local bus lines are mainly controlled by one government-subsidized company. However, this company has no website, no listing in the front of the phone book, no maps with the lines or times, and few clearly demarcated stops (the stops that ARE obvious do not have any kind of signs, just a post, and sometimes a bench).

Alexandre found the bus company's office number listed in the white pages. When he called the office, the girl said, “well, where are you going?” and then told him that one bus route. (Are people supposed to do that every time they need a bus?)

*When I went to sign up for a plan for a cell phone (worst idea ever), the salesgirl didn't have a written contract for me (like with the rules of the plan). She didn't know where I could find one. It took me a month of asking friends and TIM employees at other stores to figure out that employees can download the contracts from the TIM site (but by then I'd already canceled the plan).

*Dogs don't have collars with the owner's name and number, so you often see lost dogs just running around, with no way to return them. "Lost dog" signs often don't have phone numbers (just the dog's name and a pic). (I know this is not a business example, but I think it's related to this access to information topic.)

*A friend of mine is currently in a mess between her building manager, the owner of her apartment, and the leasing office. Long story short, the building manager stopped providing services in the building, but is still getting paid. The leasing office says that only apartment owners can vote him out, but residents aren't “allowed” to know who owns their apartments in order to request that a new building manager be voted in.

*Company websites rarely have the info you think they'd have. They usually have great pictures, but no phone number or hours. 

*Because answering machines aren't used, when you call a number and no one answers, it just rings and rings, so you don't even know if it's the right number.

*One of the few decent hotels in town doesn't answer their phones-- either that, or the number on the site is wrong, or they just ignore the calls. Alexandre had to physically go there to make the reservation for his family for the graduation. What are people from out of town supposed to do?

*When we had the corn festival in a nearby town, one marketing technique was to just put a giant corn statue downtown, and get people talking about it. Then the day before it started, the news had a 2-minute segment about it with the location and the days. But the newspaper and news channel sites didn't have any information. The church planning the festival didn't have a site or any info about the festival. So then I thought that maybe it was so popular and such a tradition that people didn't NEED that kind of information. But when I asked my students what the corn was, almost no one knew. So if I hadn't caught that 2-minute news segment, we wouldn't have gone. (How did everyone else learn about it?)
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I guess I just feel so lost because Brazil is totally an internet country. Even in our relatively small town, most everyone has access to internet-- and usually at home. Internet cafés are also cheap and are always crowded. Almost every English school that I've been to has extra computers for students to use. However, it seems like the internet (or business websites) are just not people's first instinct when they want information.

Something interesting about information on the internet is the way that information is informally available. Orkut forums and communities are hugely popular, and you can use them to find anything from college entrance exam details to hotel recommendations for a city. (However, shouldn't the college entrance exam details be available from the college's website? Or at the high schools?)

Another common use of the internet are a lot of unofficial white pages websites, which will often list business phone numbers, even when the business does not have a website.

What I've learned so far about Brazilian access to information is that the most popular way to get information here is asking friends and family, and someone usually knows a guy who knows a guy. Not even going to the company directly always proves helpful. But what if you don't want to call up friends every time you need a plumber or something? And are you supposed to just walk around your neighborhood asking people where the bus stop is? Is that just not considered annoying, the way it would be in the US?

Another question: Is this lack of information just limited to our region of small towns? In general, I've noticed that it's much easier to find information online about São Paulo (for example, even restaurants have websites, with menus and their address and how to get there, which is almost unheard of in our city). However, during my friend Jamie's visit, she and I were trying to find out about 2 different museums in São Paulo. Their websites had pretty pictures of the displays and the buildings, but NO information about hours of operation, where the museums are located, which metros to take, or even a phone number. We had to call dear buddy Bruna, who found the museum's phone numbers in her local Sao Paulo phone book. But even then, only one of the museums that she called even answered the phone.

Is it just me and my generation? Are we just too dependent on the internet for information? Is it illogical for me to imagine that Brazilians also rely on internet for business information, if so many people have access to the internet?

So WHAT IS IT?! Am I doing something wrong? Is it that everyone else just learns stuff some other way, or is it just that people are just content with this lack of information? Does everyone else just drive to the museum and hope for the best? Do people go on vacations without reserving hotels first?

I'm trying not to be judgmental, but is it something negative? Is it a lack of internet awareness, a lack of internet culture (doubtful), or a lack of business sense?

If you think about it, Americans are big on sharing information online and making websites and reviews and things, just because they like it. I've been researching Toronto for my students, and I found lots of information very very fast. But interestingly, most Google searches that I perform in English or related to the US and Canada reveal very helpful information that isn't even put up by government websites, but instead by people who are just really interested in the topic and want to share what they know.

Is it just not a common Brazilian hobby to make websites about something that interests you?

Another possibility: Is there just a Brazilian cultural idea that it's good to share information with friends and family if they ask for it, but that it's not necessary to make that information more public? Alexandre teases that Americans are too opinionated (he insists that Yelp will never take off in Brazil, because Brazilians just aren't interested in spending their free time writing their opinions about a given business when it has no benefit for them personally). But I think it's more than that; I think there's a certain cultural instinct in the US to share info with the masses, to spread what you know, and, business-wise, to imagine what other people would need to know about your business, to make doing business more streamlined and convenient.

So that's it; this entry is long enough. Those are all of my questions and observations. It's kind of general, so take it how you want, provide examples that you want. What do YOU do to get information? Do you think it's a cultural difference, a technological difference, or what? Do Brazilians feel the same way when they're living abroad? 

10 comments:

  1. I am Brazilian and I feel the same. When I need information I use Google, but you know that it doesn't work very well here. I live in Brasilia, and it doesn't work so well as I would like. That is why I do Google searches in English, more useful results.
    My aunt, who lives in the US, complains that sometimes she wants to show her husband pictures of places where she used to go here. So she goes to their website and find nothing, only tiny pictures.
    Your post makes me remember when I was choosing what to do on college. All websites were horrible, with no information at all, except the Stats one. It had all the information I needed and they even answered the phone!!!

    When I read it "I think there's a certain cultural instinct in the US to share info with the masses, to spread what you know", you read my mind. That is the my motto for blogging. However my last posts were not like this.

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  2. I think maybe they just haven't caught up yet, and are still doing business the way they've been doing business for years. No need to change now. I mean, we've had that whole capitalism thing down for years now, and even before the internet had things like the yellow/white pages, movie phone, etc. It doesn't seem like down there there's such a big drive to compete... people use local businesses their families have used for generations. Whereas in the U.S., you put your information out there because the more people that see it (because our culture doesn't necessarily depend on word-of-mouth always), the more chance you have of bringin' in the spenders.

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  3. Also, if you think about it, us Americans do not have to have a lot of patience. Like, say we go to a website and it doesn't have the info we need, we say, "Fuck it, these people are morons" and we take our business somewhere else. As far as our dealings with businesses when I was visiting (a la water park employees not knowing their hours), it seems like Brazilians have to deal with that shit all the time from everybody.

    But it is kind of weird that people don't think of that kind of stuff in the first place. "What should we include in our website? Why, everything except the information someone would need to arrive and pay for our services!" Delightful cultural differences.

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  4. add to the list stores that do not have prices, like clothes stores, sometimes I just wanna look at a store and the prices for theirs clothes to see if it is worth my time to go there, but all they have are pictures of models in the clothes. I guess I can see some logic behind, if you go to the store, you try the clothes on, you like it and decide that despite the price you're gonna take it. But it still is annoying as I hate to go somewhere just to find out I can't afford it.
    Also I have seen some hotels in Rio that don't take online bookings, you have to call. Yep you have to make an international call just to book a hotel, and sometimes even to find out the rates! why? don't ask me!

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  5. Sound like there are massive Internet business opportunities there, pity I'm not on my way there yet.

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  6. I just want to have FAST, RELIABLE internet speed here in Brazil. I was spoiled by the speed and reliability back in the States. Now, I find myself yelling at the computer when the pages load soooo slooooow or they never load properly and time-out. What's worse is that we have the "top" package available here and it's NOWHERE near their advertised speed. I've tested it. It's like I'm paying for a Porsche and I'm stuck in a Ford Ka!

    -Chris
    www.floridaguyinbrazil.com

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  7. I've thought a lot about this too. I have a sister living in Africa, and we've talked about culture and the value of information. Her perspective regarding the place she lives is that they share their things and time, but they don't share information, where as in the US, we willingly share information, but we don't share our things and time. I think that Brazil is still SO relational, that this kind of information is shared in person, through word of mouth. Which is "inefficient" according to our North American perspective.

    I think you are right about the buses, and even directions. I get stopped ALL the time on the street, asked where such and such street is, or where the bus stop is, or asked where a certain bus goes. I've found if I work up the nerve to talk to people, I get some really good and helpful information.

    It's also true about the phones! I can't tell you how many times I've tried calling the dentist, borracharia, and the phone just keeps ringing, and ringing...

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  8. I feel ya. The lack of a bus route/schedule document is just insane to me. Here in Rio/Niteroi there are more than a dozen companies and routes that go EVERYWHERE. But if Luiz didn't grow up here, or if we couldn't call our friends for a tip -- we would have NO IDEA which bus goes where (along what route). There is a website in Rio where you can put in your location and your destination and it will tell you which bus, but it can be tricky getting it to understand your request.

    It boggles my mind that businesses do not use answering machines. Lost customers!

    Early on I saw that we needed to ask everyone we know for a recommendation rather than pick up the phone book or go online. But Luiz hates to do that -- so we struggle.

    I like Shelly's comment. It's a good reminder about the purely cultural dynamic that can be frustrating.

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  9. Can I add another gripe? What's up with not having internet banking? That's the ONLY way I did EVERY SINGLE BANKING THING. haha, good english. But here you have to go to the damn bank for every thing, big or small!

    It's the same way in Rio! I literally do what you just said. I ask people on the street. Where's the bus stop? Is there a bus that passes here going to so-and-so place? People don't mind to answer because it's the only way to get info...

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  10. Those are good questions and I have to say I have felt this way many times in the past months. I'm Brazilian but lived for almost 3 years in the US. I really got used to the easy way to find information about almost everything I needed there. Back here in Brazil it's being difficult but not impossible to find what I need. I believe we have a lack of technology culture. I'm saying that because I agree with Jamie that we haven't caught up yet. When I talk with my american friends about differences between Brazil and US I conclude we are in many faces 10 years behind US (a figurative expression). It's not wrong just a consequence of how the nation was formed... But then this can be just a cheap excuse with a lot of arguments I don't want go through now.
    Small towns are more into have problems with the access info. A few weeks ago I was looking for a hotel for my parents in Fatima do Sul (a small town in MS) and had a hard time finding phone numbers. After a long search I got a few numbers and called questioning for websites so I could at least see pictures. In the end I just got an Orkut account from one of the places with pictures but no information.
    Share information depends on trust and we don't feel good about it on the internet.

    Brazilians are "walking" toward a better system and I see the changes. I just wish we were "running" instead.

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