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| That's right! It's a Caught Being Good entry! |
The Bank Alexandre and I use here has a special VIP banking department, akin to the high roller tables in Las Vegas, I think. American banks might have this too; I'd always been too poor to know for sure. Anyway, the special VIP banking department here is called "Van
For clients enrolled in this Van Gogh banking, there are special employees who only work with them; there are special areas to wait (and there's hardly ever anyone in line); there are even special customer service phone numbers. In order to be treated with these luxuries, you basically have to be rich. I'm not sure what the exact rules are (the website won't tell you -- they make you bring a proof of income in to a branch to see if your salary's high enough), but I'm almost positive that we wouldn't normally qualify.
I think the bank's logic comes down to four words: Weed. Out. The. Masses. Treat the rich people at the bank the way they'd be treated at a first-world bank (for example, don't make them wait 3 hours just to fix some problem that you probably caused in the first place), and they'll leave all their money with you. Isn't that amazing?
Anyway anyway. One of the branches here in town did something pretty clever. They went to the medical residents at Alexandre's hospital and offered them the chance to enroll in this VIP "Van Gogh Banking" program. It's basically like, "OK, we know you guys aren't rich now....but you will be in a few years, and by then, you'll be tried and true customers!"
Alexandre took them up on their offer, since we already had accounts at this bank anyway. He went in and met with "his account manager" -- possessive adjective style! The woman told him all his options with the fancy Van Gogh account, including credit cards and the first-rate service I just mentioned. He liked what he heard, so we went back together to make the change. We didn't even have to make an appointment -- we just showed up, waited 5 minutes for the lady to finish with a previous client, and then we went into her office.
We told her everything we wanted to do, and asked if she could help us with it.
*Transfer our accounts (Alexandre's checking and my piddly savings) from Caipirópolis? Yes. (The branches love to pass the buck with this: the people in Caipirópolis said we need to do it in Springfieldee, and the people in Springfieldee said we needed to do it back in Caipirópolis)
*Open a joint checking account with joint checks and international credit cards? Yes. Alexandre's legal working status combined with our marriage certificate can carry the both of us.
*Fix some little problems and take away some "mystery charges" that Alexandre had been getting on his account? Yes.
*Make it so that our debit cards aren't automatically canceled if they are suspected of fraud, but instead temporarily placed on hold until we can call and verify? Yes.
*Send stuff in the mail since our apartment complex has a trustworthy mail system, instead of making us physically go to the bank to get stuff? Yes.
These changes, once suspected to be miraculous in caliber, obviously required a lot of paperwork. But I'd brought everything I could think of that we might need, and our account manager (see how I did that?) met me halfway. She was on the ball!
"Here, just sign here, here, here, and here. I'll fill out all the data -- I've got it here in the computer. You don't need to write your address 20 times." Efficiency for the win! You all know how much I love efficiency, how I fantasize about Dilma hiring me as the Minster of Efficiency and giving me a magic wand to go around and fix stuff with. I think this calls for a Caught Being Good Award, Ms. Account Manager:
The Q&A and the signing (get it? Because we're like celebrities!) took all of 15 minutes, and then today, about 10 days later, we got our new stuff in the mail! My first Brazilian checks, my first Brazilian credit card, plus the cute couple milestone of a joint bank account with checks with both of our names. :)
If you are able to get one of these Van Gogh accounts, I highly recommend it. (You may have to be willing to risk the shame of taking your or your partner's paystubs to the bank, only to have them reject you, but I think it's worth it!) If you're not able to get one....sorry! Sucks to be you. Something to shoot for, right? :)
Congrats, Fancy Van Gogh banking! It'd be better if the bank treated all of their customers with this level of respect, but for now, I'll take what I can get, and I'll feel grateful and lucky that I got this much.


WTG Danielle! My parents have a VIP account in ther bank - I'll never stand why, because we are not even close to rich. They treat them very well, specially because my father works in the bank. But me, poor me. I have a student account and they are not so nice to me. At least I still have MY account manager. hahaha But I am sure it's due to my parent's account.
ReplyDeleteAnd they say money doesn't buy happiness. haha
ReplyDeleteI don't know what bank offers the Van Gough thingy, but I was offered something similar at HSBC in Sao Caetano. I went to HSBC mostly because international. I think your salary's gotta be in the 4000 reais range for you to get it and it comes with a price. I don't know why the manager thought I could afford it on my teacher's salary at the time, but oh well. It was tempting. No lines, big comfortable chairs in the cleanest waiting rooms I've ever been to, free coffee, etc, etc... Sounded like a good deal at the time, still I wasn't willing to pay 60+ reais just to have a bank account and chose to be with the masses instead. It's not like I go to the bank that much anyways and I receive and pay my credit card bills online. It's good banking enough for me, but sometimes I still dream about the waiting room at that HSBC branch and how it'd be nice to have enough money to go VIP.
We got the "Van Gough" account at Itau, even with my "illegal" income. It is AMAZING. They fix problems. They answer phone calls. In Brazil! It's amazing!
ReplyDeleteI had to cancel my Banco do Brasil conta because of sooo many taxas, multas, and other fees that never were explained to me. I had to physical go to the bank where I opened it 8 times..back and forth and back and forth.. Finally it's closed. YAY no more robbery! So now I recently went to open a Itau iConta account because I have been told this is the best for foreigners AND they promise no hidden fees. Well, just today I got a note from Itau welcoming me to A WHOLE OTHER program they have full of fees. Now I have to go downtown again, wait in the line for another hour or so, just to have this fixed. ANd she put me as Austrailian, and sent a credit card which I specifically said I DO NOT want because of all the hidden fees. YIKES! I wish I had enough money to open that Van Gough thing. I have been dealing with bad bank problems here for 3 years now. MY best ever, is still Bank of America, of which I have had no problems in the last 20 years with them.. hmmmmm first world...
ReplyDeleteDanielle, two weeks ago you posted a rather harsh rant on Brazilian education. While some of the things you wrote might be justified, you lost a lot of credibility in my eyes this week by consistently misspelling (and not checking) the very topic of your post, not to mention the name of one of the most famous painters in history. It's spelled "Van Gogh" by the way. I hope you don't take this as a personal attack, which it isn't, but if you're going to set the bar for others, you have to pass it yourself, don't you think?
ReplyDeleteOh man! I must be a completely lost cause if I don't know how to spell a Dutch last name.
DeleteJeez, Danielle. Get it right. Next you'll be writing 'Pikasso'.
DeleteHey, everyone makes mistakes. Just make sure you sign up for the real banking service, not some look-alike "Van Gough" scam (or buy a car called "Pikasso" that's not actually made by Citroen). :)
DeleteOhhh...something just occurred to me...do you think they are going to ask for your ear for this service? ya knw, the way Vincent sent his ear to a whore he loved?
ReplyDeleteHaha, these Caught Being Good entries crack me p every time! I think it's the little meerkat icon.
ReplyDeleteSantander's VIP bank is called Van Gogh because it was inherited from ABN, a Dutch bank that operated in Brazil and that was purchased by Santander. Itaú's VIP bank is called Personalité, a French word, because it was also inherited from a French bank purchased by Itaú. Almost all banks have VIP sections.
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